tumbl yr mix.



And some nice words from Om, too

http://gigaom.com/2008/08/19/missing-muxtape-try-8tracks-its-better/

Missing Muxtape? Try 8Tracks. It’s Better

Om Malik, Tuesday, August 19, 2008 at 9:23 AM PT

Muxtape, a startup that quickly became a favorite of the Tumblr-set, has taken a nose dive, thanks to the machinations at RIAA. There are lot of folks bemoaning the loss of the service. To them, I have one word: 8Tracks.

I talked to the New York-based startup’s founder, David Porter, formerly of Live365, a few weeks ago and he walked me through the service. I have been using it sporadically and, well, it works better than Muxtape. (Thrillist thinks so, too — take their word over a Web geezer like us.) Essentially, 8tracks allows you to upload your own tracks and create a mix. Of course, you can create mixes from a library of tracks uploaded by others. Drag, drop, play!

How long before RIAA calls on these guys? They have applied for a small webcaster license, but that won’t be enough if the company gets popular. Peter Kafka says they they will “end up having to pay the same rates as the big guys, which basically translates to about 2 cents per listener, per hour this year, and will jump to 3 cents next year.” Porter remains undeterred!

Fred Wilson covers 8tracks + Twitter

My initial idea for 8tracks emerged at about the same time as Twitter, and the notion (and merits) of “constraints” definitely informed our approach.

Fred Wilson (a NYC-based VC and perhaps the most widely-read VC blogger) covers us in this context this morning.  Check it out here.

Silicon Alley Insider likes us!

This morning, we got covered by Silicon Alley Insider, one of the heavyweights for reporting on the internet/media industry:  http://www.alleyinsider.com/2008/8/8tracks-a-free-legal-music-service-we-love.

8tracks: A Free, Legal Music Service We Love

Peter Kafka | August 16, 2008 10:14 AM

8tracks logo.png Launching an online music startup? What are you thinking? Digital music is a money pit that only works for people who aren’t trying to make money selling music. Like iTunes (AAPL). Or maybe Amazon (AMZN).

Not convinced? OK. Suit yourself: There are basically two paths you can choose:

  • Create a legal service by raising money and then lining up deals with the big music labels and publishers. Pros: You won’t get sued. Cons: Those deals incinerate cash, and once you’ve signed them you’ll have a crippled service that won’t appease carpers.
  • Don’t bother cutting deals with anyone. Just launch, build buzz and hope for the best. Maybe you’ll get sued, maybe you won’t. Pros: You get to give the people what they want. Cons: Maybe you’ll get sued.

But our favorite new service has taken a smart middle ground. 8tracks lets you listen to digital mix tapes that you or anyone else has made, filled with any music you can think of, as long as someone has loaded it into the system. And while founder David Porter, a veteran of online radio service Live365, hasn’t made a single deal with a music label, it’s all totally legal.

Here, for instance, is a mix that features jazz heavyweights like Miles Davis and John Coltrane. Here’s one with music from Britney Spears and Weezer. And here’s one with the Beatles, who have yet to license their catalog to iTunes or any other digital music store.

David isn’t going to get sued because he’s taking advantage of a provision in the much-derided Digital Millennium Copyright Act, which gives him a compulsory license if he operates as a “non-interactive Webcaster”. In English, that means he can stream any music he wants, as long as he pays a royalty, and if he’s running the equivalent of an online radio station.

pkafka mix.jpgSo that does require some compromises: You can’t see the full contents of somebody’s mix when you start, so you don’t know what you’re getting until you play it. There are limits on the number of times you use the same artist in any given mix. And you can’t go back and play tracks you’ve already listened to unless you cue up the mix again. It’s like popping an unlabeled tape into a player that only has three buttons: play, stop and fast-forward.*

And the company will have a hard time as a stand-alone business, too. David’s applied for a special “small Webcaster” license that will keep his costs managable to start with. But if the site succeeds, he’ll eventually end up having to pay the same rates as the big guys, which basically translates to about 2 cents per listener, per hour this year, and will jump to 3 cents next year. Which means that he’ll have to generate an effective CPM of $30 or more to cover costs.

Tall order, at best. There are vague plans to try and pay the rent using a combination of Amazon affiliate fees, audio and display ads, and perhaps some sort of premium version for heavy users.

But then again, David has done this on the cheap, in classic Web 2.0 style. He’s spent about $80,000 paying part-time coders and designers to build the site, and the heavy lifting for storage and bandwidth is being handled by Amazon. And of course you, the users, supply the music and create the content by making your own music. (We’ve taken couple stabs here, here and here. Not great, but you get the idea.) So he’s got a lengthy runway to figure this out, and he doesn’t have to worry about spending time fending off lawsuits while he does it. In the meantime we’re going to have a lot of fun making mixes, and sharing them with our friends.

Updates to fix IE uploading

We’re about to push some updates that should fix the IE uploading problems.  If you get a chance, please give it a try and let us know if things are (or aren’t) working well.

Some nice pre-launch coverage by bloggers

Josh Catone wrote about us last Thursday, just before launch.

Also a short but sweet spot a week earlier.

If all goes well, we should be seeing some favorable stories running on Fri and early next week.

Playback on IE7

We simplified the code on the mixpages in order to fix a persistent bug on IE, and playback now works fine.

The only downside is that if you click on the mix name or Play button within ~1 second of the page loading, you may get an error message.  If you wait (literally) 1 second, you shouldn’t experience any problem with playback.

We’ll work to get “instantaneous” playback back in due course.

Well, okay, not sorted

We’re still having an issue with playback and uploading on Internet Explorer 7 on Vista.  The guys are working to get to the bottom of this - please bear with us, and we’ll post more here once we have some answers.

If you’re having any problems with playback/uploading on IE7 on XP, you can re-load a mixpage on 8tracks.com while holding SHIFT, and this should now resolve the problem.

Firefox and Safari on Windows or Mac should be fine.

Issues. Sorted.

We had a few issues but thanks to an observant, late-night fan and our crack team, all is sorted.

If only IE didn’t exist :  )